Nashville numbering system

I really want to learn the Nashville numbering system. I can work it out if I stop and think, but if I'm playing in C and someone was to tell me to play the minor 3rd, I'd have to work it out. However, my theory is good enough that when I'm playing in a key or transposing from another (using chords) I can pretty much work it all out.

What's a good resource for learning it? Any good books, videos etc?
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Whistler Frets: 406
21 Oct, 2024
I learned the Nashville Number System using the book Song charting made easy by drummer Jim Riley. One of the reviews adds that this is a book for musicians that do not read music. If you appreciate well-thought out, structured lessons and with audio to back them up, it is all here.
Danny1969 Frets: 11290
21 Oct, 2024
You don't really need to learn a lot  as far as I know, it's basically as simple as 

For a major key C = 1 Dm = 2 Em = 3  etc 

For a minor key song the relative major is used so a song in Am is thought of as the 6m and C is the one the verse of Californication would be written as 6m 4 6m 4 etc 

So summer of 69 would be written as verse 1 1 5 5 1 1 5 5   X 2 then bridge 6m 5 1 4 x 2 etc then chorus 1 1 5 5 1 1 5 5 

If a chord changes half way through a bar then I write it as 15 and underline it 

A lot of songs in rock  / pop have flat 7 chords and borrowed chords so a song like Creep I would write as 1 1 3mj  3mj 4 4 4m 4m 

I didn't know it was called the Nashville system when I started using it but it seemed the most obvious way to write down chord sequences as I have worked with different singers and played the same songs in different keys all the time over the years.  Having watched a couple of Tom Bukovac videos where he charts a song though his system looks like mine, as it's the most obvious way to do it 




Evo Frets: 331
21 Oct, 2024
Danny1969 said:
You don't really need to learn a lot  as far as I know, it's basically as simple as 

For a major key C = 1 Dm = 2 Em = 3  etc 

For a minor key song the relative major is used so a song in Am is thought of as the 6m and C is the one the verse of Californication would be written as 6m 4 6m 4 etc 

So summer of 69 would be written as verse 1 1 5 5 1 1 5 5   X 2 then bridge 6m 5 1 4 x 2 etc then chorus 1 1 5 5 1 1 5 5 

If a chord changes half way through a bar then I write it as 15 and underline it 

A lot of songs in rock  / pop have flat 7 chords and borrowed chords so a song like Creep I would write as 1 1 3mj  3mj 4 4 4m 4m 

I didn't know it was called the Nashville system when I started using it but it seemed the most obvious way to write down chord sequences as I have worked with different singers and played the same songs in different keys all the time over the years.  Having watched a couple of Tom Bukovac videos where he charts a song though his system looks like mine, as it's the most obvious way to do it 




For the most part this is essentially it.

It isn't usually common to specify whether the chord is major or minor unless it's out of key. That means chords 1, 4, and 5 are always assumed to be major and chords 2, 3, and 6 are assumed to be minor unless otherwise indicated.
viz Frets: 11208
21 Oct, 2024
Learn what the piano looks like. It really really helps. 
We just had a thread about this recently that had some real good info
  & a video . I can’t remember the YouTuber who did the video ,it may have been Brian Kelly zombie guitar . There are some good lessons on there. It’s really like the Roman numerals system 
but using the major key and regular numbers . Out of key chords are represented too I think with a sharp or flat sign 
slacker Frets: 2419
22 Oct, 2024
It's a good system and I use it in my head when trying to work out songs in a trio i play in. So once the key is established common changes are 4 5 etc.


Evo said:

It isn't usually common to specify whether the chord is major or minor unless it's out of key. That means chords 1, 4, and 5 are always assumed to be major and chords 2, 3, and 6 are assumed to be minor unless otherwise indicated.
Haha, thanks for the info =)  - the explanation above made zero sense to me until you mentioned that standard classification for major/minor

This will really help me with charting my stuff that always looks really messy as chords with no structure. Time I learnt!
Danny1969 Frets: 11290
22 Oct, 2024
Evo said:

It isn't usually common to specify whether the chord is major or minor unless it's out of key. That means chords 1, 4, and 5 are always assumed to be major and chords 2, 3, and 6 are assumed to be minor unless otherwise indicated.
Haha, thanks for the info =)  - the explanation above made zero sense to me until you mentioned that standard classification for major/minor

This will really help me with charting my stuff that always looks really messy as chords with no structure. Time I learnt!
There is no minor key really ... as I said a minor key is written as  it's relative major so Am is written in C, Dm is written in F etc. 
For myself I will chart some stuff as minor  .. It just feels better to think of some songs that way but that's just for me. 

duotone said:

Nashville Number System Explained



Learning Songs Quickly - Redesigning Women


Thanks - I'll have a watch of them
Danny1969 said:
You don't really need to learn a lot  as far as I know, it's basically as simple as 

For a major key C = 1 Dm = 2 Em = 3  etc 

For a minor key song the relative major is used so a song in Am is thought of as the 6m and C is the one the verse of Californication would be written as 6m 4 6m 4 etc 

So summer of 69 would be written as verse 1 1 5 5 1 1 5 5   X 2 then bridge 6m 5 1 4 x 2 etc then chorus 1 1 5 5 1 1 5 5 

If a chord changes half way through a bar then I write it as 15 and underline it 

A lot of songs in rock  / pop have flat 7 chords and borrowed chords so a song like Creep I would write as 1 1 3mj  3mj 4 4 4m 4m 

I didn't know it was called the Nashville system when I started using it but it seemed the most obvious way to write down chord sequences as I have worked with different singers and played the same songs in different keys all the time over the years.  Having watched a couple of Tom Bukovac videos where he charts a song though his system looks like mine, as it's the most obvious way to do it 




That all makes sense, but for my brain to work it, I need to read it or watch it really. At least as I understand all that, I'm coming at it with at least some understanding
Evo Frets: 331
22 Oct, 2024
Learning the harmonisation of the major scale (fancy way of saying 1, 4, 5 = major and 2, 3, 6 = minor) is an important part of using the Nashville system but there are a few other things worth noting too.

Chord 5 is considered to be the "dominant" chord and is where you would use a dominant 7th chord (A7, E7, G7 etc as opposed to a major or minor 7th chord). That's where bluesy sounds often live so it isn't a bad idea to throw in your bluesy lines or licks over the 5 chord. 

Chord 7 very rarely gets used but when it does, it's a "diminished" tonality. My advice is to avoid it unless you know what you're doing, heck I have a pretty good idea what to do and I still avoid it anyway. 

Chord 6 is your relative minor, if you see a lot of chord 6 in your chart then odds are you're in the relative minor key. 


There's more of course, but that should get you well on the way.
merlin Frets: 7010
22 Oct, 2024
Surely this numbering system is no different in principle to what Jazzers and popular composers and performers have done since time. 

Why is it known as "The Nashville" anything? 
Danny1969 Frets: 11290
22 Oct, 2024
merlin said:
Surely this numbering system is no different in principle to what Jazzers and popular composers and performers have done since time. 

Why is it known as "The Nashville" anything? 
I don't know, I didn't know it was called the Nashville numbers to begin with when I started charting things out. Maybe it's because some used roman numerals before. I never saw the point in that, a lot of the younger people I teached never knew what they were and couldn't see the sense in writing III when you can just write 3 

Regardless of where it come from though it is a very quick method of charting something before you choose the key later. I have been asked a few times to look at my chart though by others and they can't make head or tail of it. A lot of people I know write the actual chord names and then either transpose them in their head if the key gets changed or write them out again. 
I looked into the Nashville Number System (NNS) when I was interested in classifying things in terms of intervals and have the book at the link below. It's now at version 11, but mine's at version 7 so maybe I should update it.
https://nashvillenumbersystem.com/

It's good to know NNS, just in case I ever encounter a situation where I might need it, which hasn't happened yet :)

But I'm not so keen on numbering the chords for minor keys in terms of the relative major key. So, for example, in the key of Am, an Am chord would be written as 6m. However, the book I referenced above states that this is "most of the time", which implies it isn't always the case.

I ended up preferring the type of approach used for Roman Numeral Analysis (RNA) system, and also the specific version of RNA that references things to the root note of the scale, and then numbers things in terms of modifications to the intervals of the major (Ionian) scale. See links below for examples:

https://piano-ology.com/chord-progressions/roman-numeral-analysis/

https://www.musicianposter.com/chords/c168012/7th-chords-roman-numerals-major-scale

You could dispense with the Roman numerals and just use numbers instead,  But, for example, if I'm in a natural minor key (Aeolian), I'd still prefer to think of the chords as follows (i.e. relative to the root note of the key, and not in terms of the relative major key)

1(m7),   2(7b5),  b3(ma7),  4(m7),  5(m7),  b6(ma7), b7(7)

It looks a bit complicated, but I think it avoids ambiguity when harmonising other scales such as harmonic minor, melodic minor, various modes etc.  Also, referencing things to the root note of the scale is more connected to my ear.

viz Frets: 11208
22 Oct, 2024

But I'm not so keen on numbering the chords for minor keys in terms of the relative major key.



Correct! It’s awful and stupid! The one chord is the root chord, regardless of tonaility. It’s the home chord. Calling it a 6 goes agains everything. Especially as they call a dorian home chord the 6 too. 
duotone said:

Nashville Number System Explained



Learning Songs Quickly - Redesigning Women


Had a watch of the first video - was helpful. I understood it all. I guess what I need to train myself in is in each key, knowing what the 4 chord is, 5 chord etc.

If I'm playing a song in C and change it to E or G (or use a capo on 5th fret to play G shapes) etc I can usually just play the correct chords without thinking about it. But if I was in E and someone said to play the 4 chord, I'd have to work that out. I guess it comes with practice
Jalapeno Frets: 6491
22 Oct, 2024

But I'm not so keen on numbering the chords for minor keys in terms of the relative major key.
The leader of the jazz band I'm in is a self-taught Sax player - he never uses Bb (Tenor) or Eb (Alto) parts, always Concert C parts - good for him. However, can't call numbers in minor keys always uses the relative major - does my head in every time =)

HAL9000 Frets: 10264
22 Oct, 2024
Sometimes the Nashville system is notated using Roman, rather than Arabic, numerals. Then major chords are represented as I, IV, V, etc and minor chords as ii, iii, vi, etc.
duotone Frets: 1147
23 Oct, 2024
duotone said:

Nashville Number System Explained



Learning Songs Quickly - Redesigning Women


Had a watch of the first video - was helpful. I understood it all. I guess what I need to train myself in is in each key, knowing what the 4 chord is, 5 chord etc.

If I'm playing a song in C and change it to E or G (or use a capo on 5th fret to play G shapes) etc I can usually just play the correct chords without thinking about it. But if I was in E and someone said to play the 4 chord, I'd have to work that out. I guess it comes with practice
I’m glad it was of some use to you, I haven’t watched it in a year or 2, but I remember it being helpful.
PAL Frets: 645
24 Oct, 2024
Yeah each of the chords relate to the note in the major scale. So in the key of A a typical blues/12 bar would be the 1/4/5 
  chords. A-D-E which you probably already play and know. So there isn't too much more for you to learn.
  The idea of the Nashville numbering system is rather thinking in chord names you just think numbers so if a song was in say 
  the key of G and the key needed to be changes you would be asked to play the same thing ( Chords ) but in a different key.
  this saves writing everything out again.
  For practice play C.Am.F.G then do the the same in D then E etc, Practice without a capo . Good luck.


Snags Frets: 5900
25 Oct, 2024
viz said:

But I'm not so keen on numbering the chords for minor keys in terms of the relative major key.



Correct! It’s awful and stupid! The one chord is the root chord, regardless of tonaility. It’s the home chord. Calling it a 6 goes agains everything. Especially as they call a dorian home chord the 6 too. 

<Digression> I had a similar problem for ages when looking at scale patterns laid out against a chord chart style box on the neck, because guitar tutors seem determined to extend them to cover all possible notes within a  'box' across the strings, so the bloody things almost never start and and on the actual root note.

Coming from a classical piano background, where playing a scale of e.g. G starts and ends on a fucking G, thank you very much, it took me quite a while to wonder why some arsehole was saying "So in G we start with the open E string ..."
viz Frets: 11208
25 Oct, 2024
Exactly! It’s like trying to do modes before you can do scales. 
ricky50 Frets: 166
25 Oct, 2024
duotone said:

Nashville Number System Explained



Learning Songs Quickly - Redesigning Women


Thanks for this - great video really well explained. It's not very complicated but her teaching is spot on.
Danny1969 said:
Evo said:

It isn't usually common to specify whether the chord is major or minor unless it's out of key. That means chords 1, 4, and 5 are always assumed to be major and chords 2, 3, and 6 are assumed to be minor unless otherwise indicated.
Haha, thanks for the info =)  - the explanation above made zero sense to me until you mentioned that standard classification for major/minor

This will really help me with charting my stuff that always looks really messy as chords with no structure. Time I learnt!
There is no minor key really ... as I said a minor key is written as  it's relative major so Am is written in C, Dm is written in F etc. 
For myself I will chart some stuff as minor  .. It just feels better to think of some songs that way but that's just for me. 

I think this way too. I find it much easier.