Paint Audio CE-1 - running plugins / software live in a pedal. Is this genuinely a game changer?
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$1100 + $100 shipping to the USA. It won't bring up GBP prices, converts it to yuan. With shipping it's ¥8,737.00 which is £945. Let's slap on 20% VAT once customs have done their work so £1134. No bundled software with it.
Manual makes regular mention of using a mouse and keyboard. Oooohkay. Sure, it has a touchscreen but there's a lot of mousey mousy there and the manual states that Windows is not built for touchscreen use.
The manul's instructions for firmware updates sound EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEk.
" At 96kHz/64 sampling points, the total latency is approximately 4-6ms (on par with current mainstream advanced multi-effects processors such as Quad Cortex, FM3, and Kemper). At 48kHz/64 sampling points, the total latency is approximately 7-9ms. At 48kHz/128 sampling points, the total latency is approximately 10-12ms."
Well that's underwhelming. Being the anal retentive git that I am, I was doing the three audio interfaces I have with me right now the other day (IK Axe One and Solo, KA6) and got these figure using Oblique's RTL Utility.
44.1kHz, 64 samples
48.0kHz, 128 samples IK Axe One 7.891
IK Axe Solo 5.76
9.958 NI KA6 Mk 2 5.578
8.958 SSL 2+ Mk II
9.000
So why is the CE1 got a 2ms range at 48kHz and 128 samples? Why is it not consistent?
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20 watts of power. A fan in that box is gonna be small and no mention of that fan being low noise. Wonder what it's got inside.
It looks great but way too many unknowns right now.
Manual makes regular mention of using a mouse and keyboard. Oooohkay. Sure, it has a touchscreen but there's a lot of mousey mousy there and the manual states that Windows is not built for touchscreen use.
The manul's instructions for firmware updates sound EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEk.
" At 96kHz/64 sampling points, the total latency is approximately 4-6ms (on par with current mainstream advanced multi-effects processors such as Quad Cortex, FM3, and Kemper). At 48kHz/64 sampling points, the total latency is approximately 7-9ms. At 48kHz/128 sampling points, the total latency is approximately 10-12ms."
Well that's underwhelming. Being the anal retentive git that I am, I was doing the three audio interfaces I have with me right now the other day (IK Axe One and Solo, KA6) and got these figure using Oblique's RTL Utility.
44.1kHz, 64 samples
48.0kHz, 128 samples IK Axe One 7.891
IK Axe Solo 5.76
9.958 NI KA6 Mk 2 5.578
8.958 SSL 2+ Mk II
9.000
So why is the CE1 got a 2ms range at 48kHz and 128 samples? Why is it not consistent?
20 watts of power. A fan in that box is gonna be small and no mention of that fan being low noise. Wonder what it's got inside.
It looks great but way too many unknowns right now.
It’s an interesting idea. I don’t gig these days, but if I did… well, let’s say that relying on a Windows computer, in a small box, in a tough environment, being stepped on regularly - that would take a fair bit of convincing to get me to trust it.
Latency? Hassle factor?
also can everyone here please stop using phrases like "game changer", we're not 15 year olds you need to market to :)
also can everyone here please stop using phrases like "game changer", we're not 15 year olds you need to market to :)
No it's not a GAME CHANGER!!!111!!!!! (Please stop doing clickbait titles)
Pedals and synths by Eventide, Strymon, Korg, Arturia, UAD, Line6 are already effectively VSTs and can be bought for PC or in pedal form.
It's already pretty common in the synth world to have an iPad connected to mixer providing effects using an app like AUM so I don't see why you would pay a load of money for a special box that could do that. A lot of people don't realise that you could have something like an Eventide Blackhole for £20 if you have an iPad and an audio interface.
In the guitar world I believe the likes of Vernon Reid already do it, but it's not super common as people like simple, reliable low latency rigs and adding computers into the mix usually makes this worse.
Pedals and synths by Eventide, Strymon, Korg, Arturia, UAD, Line6 are already effectively VSTs and can be bought for PC or in pedal form.
It's already pretty common in the synth world to have an iPad connected to mixer providing effects using an app like AUM so I don't see why you would pay a load of money for a special box that could do that. A lot of people don't realise that you could have something like an Eventide Blackhole for £20 if you have an iPad and an audio interface.
In the guitar world I believe the likes of Vernon Reid already do it, but it's not super common as people like simple, reliable low latency rigs and adding computers into the mix usually makes this worse.
I do t think it compares well with a Helix at all, and I'm not sure why jamesguitar is so invested in finding something "better" than a Helix.
This looks an interesting tool/toy, but it's inevitably going to be more effort and less reliable than dedicated hardware.
This looks an interesting tool/toy, but it's inevitably going to be more effort and less reliable than dedicated hardware.
Game changing…
lol
it’s been changed so many times up to now that no one knows what game they’re playing anymore.
lol
it’s been changed so many times up to now that no one knows what game they’re playing anymore.
The game has changed, but the players are the same. Or the other way around.
This one simple pedal trick DESTROYS belly fat, and proctologists in [your town] don't want you to know!
This one simple pedal trick DESTROYS belly fat, and proctologists in [your town] don't want you to know!
And people are all saying the same thing
I think if someone has a specific creative use for an unusual effect that’s done well in a plugin, this sounds great. But as a replacement for average pedalboards?
Also: there have been a few posts recently where folks who are a bit desensitised to the absolute cobblers (language) that content creators use to tease their algorithms use that kind of language on this forum and it jars so much. Imo
Another ckick bait title… come on mate, you must be better than this…
I am not clever enough for this technology, it'd be like trying to teach a squirrel about Bitcoin. After days of effort and blind luck there's a chance I could get it to sound almost like an SD1 and then I'd never change the settings.
We’ve had this forum for years without nonsense titles like this.
Running windows stuff live at a gig hmm
hollywoodrox said:Running windows stuff live at a gig hmm
Oh do fuck off :) No worse than running anything else live at a gig if it's properly setup and maintained.
Anyway, this appears to be the thread for getting bent out of shape about the use of common or garden phrases that may or may not be clickbait in other contexts, but here could simply be taken at face value with simple "Yeah, nah" response. The thread for OS platform wars is back in 2003.
Sidestepping the title controversy - surely this is a product which has been a long time coming? Anyone remember the Muse Receptor?
On one hand the self contained floor units of Helix, FM9 and Quad cortex, each with it's own fanbase and pluses and minuses. Locked into that manufacturers ecosystem.
On the other, the wild west of endless plugins from various manufacturers running on the computer hardware of your choice. But is that truly roadworthy and how do we control it?
Answer, a computer (they are all computers really) in a footswich enclosure with a decent screen. Load whatever you want, with the foot controller built in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz3PPbOqDpg
I doubt everyone will want this level of control, but if you do (or you’re already taking a laptop out live), then this could be great. This could even go between being a lighter, more portable Helix (using Helix Native) and a Neural plugin player.
Is this something that would work for you, or no?